Episode 42
Interview with Kevin Osborne
Today we talk with Kevin Osborne a local writer (Connecticut) who has written two fascinating books about America. Join us for a great discussion.
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Show notes with links to articles, blog posts, products and services:
- The Prometheus Connection (website)
- The Prometheus Connection (paperback)
- The Prometheus Frontier (paperback)
- The Prometheus Connection, America’s Original Spirit: Rise, Demise, Recovery (book review by Alex Bleier)
- The platform of the American Capitalist Party
- Mutekikon
Episode 42 (35 minutes) was recorded at 9 : 30 PM CET, on January 28, 2022, with Ringr app.. Editing and post-production was done with the podcast maker, Alitu. The transcript is generated by Veed.io.
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Transcript
All right, ladies and gentlemen, here we are again.
Speaker:Martin and I am back in the Fox hole.
Speaker:And today's guest is Kevin Osborne.
Speaker:Kevin comes to us with a degree in
Speaker:humanistic studies, a graduate degree in philosophy, I
Speaker:believe, from City University of New York.
Speaker:He's worked as a quality engineer in the private
Speaker:sector and worked for the Department of Defense.
Speaker:But for the last 15 years or so,
Speaker:he's been selfemployed as a writer and artist.
Speaker:And today we're going to talk mainly about
Speaker:two of his most recent books, The Prometheus
Speaker:Connection, published in 2014, United States history in
Speaker:terms of famous myth, and The Prometheus Frontier,
Speaker:published last year, which concerns visionaries for freedom
Speaker:start the world over.
Speaker:And Kevin, how are you? I'm fine.
Speaker:Tickle to be here.
Speaker:Well, great to have you.
Speaker:It's great to have you.
Speaker:Now, I thought it was really kind of
Speaker:unique to unite Promethean myth with America.
Speaker:How did you come about thinking
Speaker:about that or creating that?
Speaker:I wanted to write a nonfiction book
Speaker:as to what happened to America.
Speaker:I wanted to do a condensed history of America,
Speaker:and I struggled with it for some time.
Speaker:And by that I mean probably a year or two.
Speaker:And I needed something to make it
Speaker:not run on the bill, something different.
Speaker:And I had the idea that knowing the
Speaker:Prometheus myth, I had the idea that there
Speaker:are parallels between us history and the metaphors
Speaker:that are filled with Prometheus myth.
Speaker:And when I made that connection, all of a sudden this
Speaker:book project came alive for me, and that started it.
Speaker:And it led to the Prometheus
Speaker:Connection book published back in 2014.
Speaker:Right now, that's strictly nonfiction, as you said,
Speaker:but who are some of the characters that
Speaker:you use in the nonfiction work?
Speaker:Well, the metaphor of Zeus, the metaphor of Prometheus.
Speaker:There's the metaphor of Prometheus torch.
Speaker:There's a metaphor of chains
Speaker:and the metaphor of Heracles.
Speaker:Those five figures or objects are metaphors that
Speaker:have a very real part in American history.
Speaker:For example, Zeus is a great metaphor of authority.
Speaker:And in America, Zeus was reincarnated as in the
Speaker:form of God, especially the Christian God, and in
Speaker:the form of government, a repressive government.
Speaker:Prometheus is a great metaphor for defiance,
Speaker:the great icon of defiance throughout history.
Speaker:And the founding fathers took on one of
Speaker:the greatest powers, the greatest power at that
Speaker:time, by far England, and defied it.
Speaker:Prometheus torch is a metaphor for reason and thought.
Speaker:And our country, being a country of
Speaker:the Enlightenment, was clearly a representative of
Speaker:clearly set on fire by Prometheus torch.
Speaker:You could put it that way.
Speaker:The change that a figure is so big in
Speaker:Prometheus, the myth Prometheus being chained to a mountain
Speaker:when he stole a fire of the gods to
Speaker:give it to mankind, he was changed.
Speaker:And that metaphor of change, that change is
Speaker:a metaphor for what happened in America.
Speaker:We're changed by coercion and subjugation
Speaker:in this country today, government subjugation.
Speaker:And, of course, Heracles, this we all love, the
Speaker:figure of Heracles, who in the myth freed.
Speaker:Finally, after thousands of years of being in
Speaker:change, Prometheus was freed by Heracles, another God.
Speaker:And I think Heracles was the son of Zeus.
Speaker:Heracles freed Prometheus from the chains.
Speaker:And of course, we know who the Heracles
Speaker:is in American history was Heracles figure.
Speaker:It's Ayn Rand who freed who
Speaker:released Reason Again on the world.
Speaker:So it was rich in metaphor.
Speaker:Blending them in into this nonfiction book was
Speaker:what made it exciting for me and different
Speaker:from a different treatment of American history than
Speaker:any that I'm aware of before.
Speaker:So that's the story of that book. Okay.
Speaker:Well, I would say the fire that Prometheus
Speaker:stole is the quote Light of Reason.
Speaker:Yes, I should have made that
Speaker:should have made that clear.
Speaker:But absolutely, yes, that you mentioned, Kevin, because we
Speaker:have played around to find a symbol and artwork
Speaker:for our show with secular foxhole with binoculars.
Speaker:And if it's what kind of
Speaker:symbol is for science and reason?
Speaker:Should it be light bulb?
Speaker:Should it be certain symbol?
Speaker:So that's interesting to hear you're saying that.
Speaker:And the first book is available in Kindle, but you
Speaker:have also done it for free in audio format.
Speaker:So I listen to it there.
Speaker:And could you tell a little bit, as you
Speaker:mentioned, about the God position and the separation of
Speaker:Church and state in the introduction of a book?
Speaker:What's the question about the separation
Speaker:of Church and state and the
Speaker:introduction of the book Prometheus connection?
Speaker:I don't remember what I wrote.
Speaker:Refresh me. Yeah.
Speaker:So there you have the myths about the role of
Speaker:a religion and that you really separate Church and state.
Speaker:You said that people are angry and maybe the gods also,
Speaker:and Founding Fathers didn't do enough cut, so to speak.
Speaker:And that's why nowadays could sneak in into the
Speaker:system again, that people are trying to infiltrate this
Speaker:wall with religious other non rational ideas.
Speaker:Yes, the religious right is under the guys under
Speaker:a term that they probably don't agree with.
Speaker:But which scholars mentioned all the time, Christian
Speaker:nationalism is the attempt by the religious right
Speaker:to keep the myth alive that America was
Speaker:founded as a Christian nation and remains a
Speaker:Christian nation to this day, in essence.
Speaker:So the defiance of America's history was that they stood
Speaker:up to God and King and refused to allow them
Speaker:authority in the new country that was being founded.
Speaker:Now the Christian right will disagree with that
Speaker:and argue that that separation never succeeded and
Speaker:never really existed because the founders were God
Speaker:fearing people and believing God and all that.
Speaker:But that whole train of thought is
Speaker:I address it in the Promise connection.
Speaker:I think it was in chapter probably chapter two.
Speaker:No, chapter three.
Speaker:I forget that the idea that America is a
Speaker:Christian nation, that whole concept has been thoroughly dismissed
Speaker:by scholars, and I discussed that summarized the results
Speaker:of that conflict in The Prometheus Connection. Okay.
Speaker:They've gained more power under Trump, sadly.
Speaker:But let's jump over to the newest book,
Speaker:though, if you would, The Prometheus Frontier.
Speaker:Now you fictionalized the story, so can you give
Speaker:us some background on that and some of the
Speaker:main characters and what they're all about?
Speaker:If you could? Sure.
Speaker:Let me give you an indication of
Speaker:where the milestones were in my thinking. Sure.
Speaker:In The Prometheus Connection, the book
Speaker:we were just talking about.
Speaker:At the final chapter, I cut the imagination loose
Speaker:and imagine a society in which everything is free.
Speaker:Coercion has been eliminated, and we
Speaker:now have a free society.
Speaker:What would that be like?
Speaker:It was fun writing that chapter.
Speaker:And after finishing the book, now I'm faced with a
Speaker:certain amount of depression that this project is over.
Speaker:So I start to think, oh, maybe I'll do a
Speaker:novel and picking up where The Prometheus Connection left off.
Speaker:And so that started my thinking.
Speaker:And it started me thinking about things
Speaker:like, well, is it really feasible?
Speaker:Aren't we progressing towards that as time goes on?
Speaker:Or is the current state of the country irreversible?
Speaker:And I came to the
Speaker:conclusion that it's basically irreversible.
Speaker:We need to start over. Okay.
Speaker:So that was one of the first milestones in my thinking.
Speaker:Well, okay.
Speaker:The second was that the gradual approach to
Speaker:a free society is still absolutely essential.
Speaker:We have to work towards free society bit by bit,
Speaker:keeps the fire alive, and it keeps people motivated.
Speaker:And the third realization in my thinking, the third
Speaker:milestone was that how inspiring vision of an actually
Speaker:existing new country free society would be to the
Speaker:world, both for those who are working for incremental
Speaker:change over time and for foreign countries.
Speaker:And it would be the Empire State Building.
Speaker:And that iconic, not the Statue of Liberty, that iconic
Speaker:symbol that draws people from all over the world.
Speaker:That is the value of having a
Speaker:fictionalized presentation of a free society, potentially,
Speaker:if it's done, if it's unreasonably.
Speaker:Well, so that was what led me to get
Speaker:into a fictional presentation of a free society.
Speaker:And so basically the writing of the novel, to summarize
Speaker:real quickly, and then you could take it from there.
Speaker:The main force behind it was a vast
Speaker:enterprise of industrial enterprise led by a man
Speaker:by the name of Maurek Rankel.
Speaker:And his enterprise within it, he
Speaker:made a vast fortune over time.
Speaker:And then within his company, he
Speaker:formed a foundation with the charter.
Speaker:Within his company, Michael Marie Enterprises, he
Speaker:formed a foundation to drive and manage
Speaker:the development of a free society.
Speaker:Rankel himself had studied philosophy Besides science, and he
Speaker:wrote a Declaration of Freedom as his statement to
Speaker:the world of how a society should be formed.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:The next step, he acquired an island in
Speaker:the Caribbean which had the name Orte, which
Speaker:means excellence or virtue in Greek.
Speaker:He acquired that island.
Speaker:So I tell the story of how that happened. Okay.
Speaker:After that, they form rankle within his company.
Speaker:He forms a Pain society where the members of
Speaker:which are Chartered to work through what it would
Speaker:take to take the island of an impoverished Caribbean
Speaker:Island and develop it into a free society, a
Speaker:flourishing free society like Thomas Paine.
Speaker:Kevin, that's it. Yeah.
Speaker:When we are recording this, this
Speaker:is around Thomas Paine birthday. Isn't that right? Yeah.
Speaker:Tomorrow, I believe.
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:Perfect timing.
Speaker:So the last bullet on this is after
Speaker:the paint decided it was a ten year.
Speaker:That charter was to have all the difficulties worked
Speaker:out in the next ten years so that in
Speaker:ten years time, they would be the inauguration of
Speaker:the island of Arte as the first island nation
Speaker:of the Prometheus Frontier, which was the vision was
Speaker:that the frontier would eventually be a number of
Speaker:Islands in the world that form free societies.
Speaker:Adopt free societies.
Speaker:What are they represents and former an actual frontier.
Speaker:So that's the milestones to the Prometheus Frontier and the
Speaker:story, the novel chapter, it's 21 chapters that deal with
Speaker:each of these parts, each of these elements.
Speaker:All right, well, listen, you've got some great points
Speaker:here, and I want to know what do you
Speaker:think or what do you hope that the readers
Speaker:will take away from the Prometheus Foundation take away
Speaker:from the Prometheus Frontier is. Thank you.
Speaker:Is the power of the importance of
Speaker:having a free society in the world.
Speaker:At some point, if you really want to get a
Speaker:free society model the value to happen, you need a
Speaker:model for the rest of the world to see.
Speaker:And for that, I kind of think of,
Speaker:again, the Statue of Liberty, that iconic symbol
Speaker:of freedom that the statue represented.
Speaker:That would be the main takeaway from the novel is that
Speaker:here is a fictionalized presentation of what it could look like
Speaker:and what the steps were to get to it.
Speaker:So to take away not only the fact that
Speaker:here is a picture of it, but that there's
Speaker:a certain feasibility to it that the book presents.
Speaker:There's human capital in the world, an abundance of
Speaker:it, looking for a free an island of freedom.
Speaker:There's venture capital in the world.
Speaker:We know that from all the wealth
Speaker:that is in the world being invested.
Speaker:And a lot of venture capitalists are Liberty minded.
Speaker:They don't have to be Objectivist for this, but
Speaker:there's a lot of Liberty minded venture capitalists.
Speaker:There's real estate, there's impoverished Islands all
Speaker:over the world who could be lifted.
Speaker:And many of them are
Speaker:paradises, yet they're impoverished.
Speaker:Amazing, isn't it?
Speaker:But that's the case.
Speaker:There is the need to defend against
Speaker:a very hostile world to freedom.
Speaker:If you're going to do this,
Speaker:you need to have defense capability.
Speaker:The Prometheus Frontier gets into that and offers how
Speaker:that was solved by Rankle and his pain society.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:And then above all, there is the philosophy of freedom
Speaker:that we all know and love for many years, right? Yes.
Speaker:That now exists in the
Speaker:world, the philosophy of Objectivism.
Speaker:It is the most powerful philosophy for change, and that is
Speaker:what drives this whole venture in the knowledge and as it
Speaker:has to if such an activity is to be adopted.
Speaker:And I pursued.
Speaker:All right, Kevin, may I threw a coral
Speaker:ball or be like a Devil's advocate? Absolutely.
Speaker:I like the idea.
Speaker:I like what you have done, created work, and
Speaker:it will be like fuel for my spirit.
Speaker:And I like the idea of the symbol of the
Speaker:Statue of Liberty because you really know about the flame
Speaker:and what it's representing, the freedom seeking individuals.
Speaker:But where you have during the years, you have had all
Speaker:kinds of projects, and we could name names, but we could
Speaker:also let it be and people could search for it.
Speaker:But it had been like oil platforms
Speaker:in the sea with special passports.
Speaker:It has been nation between nations, like no man's land.
Speaker:And recently, some project in, like, an
Speaker:ocean thing that's like a floating country.
Speaker:And also in America, you have had, like, a
Speaker:state project in a certain area of America during
Speaker:the years, and some have been really scams.
Speaker:Some haven't had the real foundation.
Speaker:Some are developing and pivoting.
Speaker:So my question is, is it too
Speaker:late, too early or the right time?
Speaker:If I read your book, it depends on how you look at it.
Speaker:I think I struggle with this.
Speaker:It's such a great question.
Speaker:I think there are three crucial preconditions if
Speaker:you want to get a free society started.
Speaker:First of all, you got to have a Southern
Speaker:Island and not a sea steady thing, not what
Speaker:they did over in Dubai or anything like that.
Speaker:So you need to have a sovereign island, and it
Speaker:has to be more than a small Caribbean Island.
Speaker:Arate in the novel is 1000 sq.
Speaker:Mi.
Speaker:It's 100 miles long, and it averages 10 miles
Speaker:north of south, so it's a thousand square miles.
Speaker:And that's a good size.
Speaker:You have to have one.
Speaker:I believe it needs to be
Speaker:something on that order in size.
Speaker:So right away, that's a difficult challenge.
Speaker:Two other things.
Speaker:You need to have an impregnable defense.
Speaker:You have to be ready to
Speaker:defend it against the hostile world.
Speaker:And no one has an impregnable defense in this world.
Speaker:So far.
Speaker:I offer the possibility some
Speaker:ideas that solve that problem.
Speaker:It's a lot of science fiction.
Speaker:So right now, the other thing that's essentially
Speaker:preconditioned is that whoever starts this such adventure,
Speaker:if they were going to do it, you
Speaker:need to have a declaration of freedom.
Speaker:My declaration of freedom, the one that we
Speaker:defined for Prometheus Frontier, is chapter nine of
Speaker:the book is dedicated to that.
Speaker:It's basically a declaration that initiated physical
Speaker:coercion in this society is to be
Speaker:banished, completely banished from all human affairs.
Speaker:So it's basically a declaration of
Speaker:appliance for the whole world.
Speaker:This is what we're doing.
Speaker:It's completely free, and you better respect it.
Speaker:So you need the three things.
Speaker:Suburban island, the President of
Speaker:defense, Declaration of freedom.
Speaker:And your question, Martin, was
Speaker:how feasible is this, right? Yeah.
Speaker:Basically, Southern Island is hard to get
Speaker:a Southern Island of 500 sq.
Speaker:Mi to 1000 sq. Miles.
Speaker:They're out there, there's plenty of Islands.
Speaker:But when they're under the sovereignty of another country,
Speaker:another sovereign country or so, many of them have
Speaker:a long history of oppression, a lot of baggage.
Speaker:How do you get around that?
Speaker:I got an idea.
Speaker:Now, I will prove that out for the universe because
Speaker:you have the small island or big island, and nowadays
Speaker:you could have every region or country or location.
Speaker:We have joked about that and talked
Speaker:about that with listeners to our show.
Speaker:How many did we have now?
Speaker:Was it 50 or how many places in the world, Blair? Right.
Speaker:50 down the world.
Speaker:And we joked some of we said,
Speaker:are they a real country or not?
Speaker:And some are maybe not in the list, but should
Speaker:be in the list, like Taiwan and so on.
Speaker:But there you could see what kind of location it is.
Speaker:So every location on map when you
Speaker:listen to podcast has a place.
Speaker:And many of these have also
Speaker:domains like in domain like T. O.
Speaker:Is tobacco, I think, for example.
Speaker:So out there is probably an island that
Speaker:could be interested in trade, for example, with
Speaker:domain names and draw attraction for that.
Speaker:So my addition would be that you should have also a
Speaker:physical and a virtual town hall where you could go and
Speaker:talk about this, discuss things, vote and get the process there
Speaker:and that you can do virtually and plan ahead.
Speaker:Like here in America.
Speaker:This is what we have talked about, Blair,
Speaker:and I myself about the capitalist party, right? Yeah.
Speaker:There you have the foundation where you have manifesto,
Speaker:but it's not what I know about not active.
Speaker:You can't vote for them.
Speaker:You could plan and you have a seat where you
Speaker:have a manifesto and people could read and understand and
Speaker:apply, and then you could find somewhere elsewhere.
Speaker:But, of course, as I said, you have to have these
Speaker:pillars and the foundation and that I would be very interested
Speaker:in continue to discuss in a civil and in a serious
Speaker:and in a rational way, because that has to happen.
Speaker:I imagine how the founding father did that.
Speaker:And they have debates, they
Speaker:have discourse, they have discussions.
Speaker:They were not always agreeing with each other. Right.
Speaker:It was firing, firing.
Speaker:Later on, they United and they
Speaker:had the United States of America.
Speaker:And right now it would be very important
Speaker:to have that because it could inspire others. Yeah.
Speaker:So, yeah, I think that could be something,
Speaker:and we have a place for that. Blair, right?
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:I believe we do.
Speaker:All right, Kevin, let me ask you I'm
Speaker:going to combine a couple of questions here. Sure.
Speaker:And if you'll take in order that I ask
Speaker:you the way I ask you, that'd be good.
Speaker:What is the hardest thing and the most enjoyable
Speaker:thing that you found about writing these two books?
Speaker:The hardest thing was anytime I write is
Speaker:to actually say what I'm trying to say.
Speaker:I have to edit so extensively any time I write.
Speaker:And I find that I need to back off
Speaker:and usually just simply state what it is.
Speaker:And that almost always involves deleting most
Speaker:of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker:I have made it too complicated.
Speaker:So the hardest thing is to be to make it simple and
Speaker:to state it simply and not get too bogged down in detail.
Speaker:So there's an awful lot of detail I
Speaker:could have added to the Prometheus frontier.
Speaker:And the Prometheus connection that would have
Speaker:to me would have destroyed the book,
Speaker:especially the second one, the novel.
Speaker:People don't want to read too much detail.
Speaker:I don't think you got to get all the
Speaker:essentials out and keep it lively and interesting.
Speaker:So that was the hardest thing, the most enjoyable to
Speaker:take the second question, the most enjoyable part for each
Speaker:book was clearly being involved in a project that advances
Speaker:the philosophy that's so dear to all of us. Right.
Speaker:The philosophy of I read and also I'll add
Speaker:to have the ability in today's world to actually
Speaker:get a book published on your own.
Speaker:It's wonderful that we have the technology that we
Speaker:have today for doing this, for self publishing.
Speaker:Basically, that's what both these
Speaker:books are self published.
Speaker:And I'll add one other thing to that is how important it
Speaker:was for me to have a dear friend, Alex Blyer, who is
Speaker:technologically savvy in how to do this in a way that I
Speaker:didn't want to get involved in, the technology of using Amazon and
Speaker:what it takes to get a book published.
Speaker:Alex Blyer is the man who made
Speaker:these books possible, actually bring them into
Speaker:the world and get them published.
Speaker:And Besides which, he was also a great inspiration to me
Speaker:with his spirit, positive spirit for each book, he got excited
Speaker:about it, and that meant all the world to me.
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:That's what was involved.
Speaker:Well, hat tip to Alex Tip.
Speaker:Hats off to Alex.
Speaker:You read my Acknowledgements on both books and you'll
Speaker:see every word I say about him is justified. All right.
Speaker:This will be my final question.
Speaker:And then, Martin, if you have
Speaker:anything, you can certainly chime in.
Speaker:But, Kevin, your ideal island
Speaker:nation, areite is that correct? Arate? Yes.
Speaker:Obviously, the accelerated pace
Speaker:toward a worldwide authoritarianism.
Speaker:How would that nation survive in this
Speaker:world and that kind of world?
Speaker:You would think that there's no chance
Speaker:and it seems like we're doomed.
Speaker:You could take a very pessimistic view like that.
Speaker:But if we look at history, the big
Speaker:picture throughout history, reason has been victorious.
Speaker:I think of some of the famous contrast in
Speaker:history between Egypt and Greece, between the Dark Age
Speaker:and the Enlightenment, between East Berlin and West Berlin,
Speaker:between North Korea, South Korea, all of these.
Speaker:You have an example of reason
Speaker:triumphant over a non reason.
Speaker:So that's the big picture to me.
Speaker:But as far as ourater goes now, think of this.
Speaker:Think of the famous brain drains in history,
Speaker:modern history in particular, where you build it
Speaker:and they will come type of thing happens. Sure.
Speaker:There's a brain drain to free countries.
Speaker:There's a brain drain to the icons of freedom,
Speaker:even the Statue of Liberty and the Prometheus way.
Speaker:So the greatest minds in the world, many of
Speaker:them would flock to a country like ariday I
Speaker:mean, really free country, with the Declaration of Freedom,
Speaker:banishing entirely, banishing initiated physical coercion or the threat
Speaker:thereof, there would be an absolute brain drain just
Speaker:from that fact alone, the fact that it exists.
Speaker:And here's the last thing I
Speaker:would offer in response to that.
Speaker:And that is that a country like areate, an island
Speaker:like areate will never want for friends in the world.
Speaker:And that includes the United
Speaker:States of America above all.
Speaker:Well said. Martin.
Speaker:Are you all set? Yeah.
Speaker:And I think we could continue this conversation
Speaker:in cyberspace and on our digital town hall.
Speaker:And that will be included in the
Speaker:show notes because then we can have
Speaker:what your great work and inspiration, Kevin?
Speaker:So the light will keep burning, so to speak.
Speaker:I'd love it.
Speaker:And we could invite others that have been reading your book
Speaker:and listen to this episode and having a conversation about that,
Speaker:what to do and how to apply it to life.
Speaker:As we said in the green room, if you
Speaker:fight for a second Renaissance for the future, you're
Speaker:living in it today, as Wren said.
Speaker:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker:And also to describe it as you did and also
Speaker:how you talk as an artist and creator and a
Speaker:writer, the process and doing it for selfish reason.
Speaker:And then to see that feedback, positive feedback in
Speaker:the exchange and people buying your books and reading
Speaker:it and spreading the good word and so on.
Speaker:And that could inspire others to do that, writing
Speaker:their own book and publish their own thing.
Speaker:Isn't that a great thought?
Speaker:It's a wonderful thought.
Speaker:And yeah, we need vision.
Speaker:We need more vision and inspiration and focus
Speaker:on the positive and what's possible out there
Speaker:in the great world that we live in. That is true.
Speaker:That is true, Kevin.
Speaker:Working people find you on
Speaker:the Web per Prometheusconnection.com. All right.
Speaker:Mutechicon.com for that story,
Speaker:that fable, the fablecon.
Speaker:But Prometheusconnection.com is a good starting place.
Speaker:All right. Just go ahead.
Speaker:And we talked about in the green
Speaker:room, and it slipped my mind. I'm sorry.
Speaker:Just give a brief outline of mutekan
Speaker:again, because I really like that.
Speaker:Mutechan is a fable.
Speaker:Mutekon means invincible spirit, and the invincible spirit
Speaker:is the creature featured in the story, which
Speaker:is based on a Golden Eagle, the largest
Speaker:of the Eagle, I believe.
Speaker:And it's a short story that I illustrated.
Speaker:So it's a picture book, actually, I think it's not
Speaker:much more than 1000 words or 1500 words total illustrations
Speaker:of this very short story that make the whole book.
Speaker:And if you go to mutekycon.com, you
Speaker:can run the trailer of the DVD.
Speaker:It's published in a DVD, by the way.
Speaker:It's available in a DVD.
Speaker:The trailer gives you a good representation
Speaker:of the artwork and the story.
Speaker:And my sound guy did just a fantastic job on that.
Speaker:That's a good picture of what it's all about.
Speaker:Also, it's a children's fable.
Speaker:And did you picture an age range or does it matter?
Speaker:Did I picture it on what an age range for children?
Speaker:I think it reads in the description on the
Speaker:website, ages seven and up or six and up. Okay.
Speaker:But it's for all ages above a certain age.
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:That it's for really young children anyway. All right.
Speaker:Okay. Great.
Speaker:And it's good to have it in,
Speaker:as I said, DVD something physical.
Speaker:But I have an idea where also we could continue
Speaker:and talking in the future how you could maybe transform
Speaker:it in other ways and you could then distribute if
Speaker:you still have that possibility with the content and you
Speaker:could distribute it in different ways.
Speaker:We could talk about how we could do that,
Speaker:thanks to inventors, capitalist, investors, tech entrepreneurs, you could
Speaker:now stream it in different ways so we can
Speaker:talk about that because the younger generation, they know
Speaker:how to consume content in different ways.
Speaker:My sound guy told me at one point you
Speaker:should really make it free on the Internet.
Speaker:And I went along with that.
Speaker:I basically just about give away the book, the DVD,
Speaker:to anyone who writes, emails me and asks for and
Speaker:just send me the postage for that, not in advance.
Speaker:Afterwards, I put it in my
Speaker:about the author in my novel.
Speaker:I put it in there that if you want.
Speaker:Buteky Khan DVD just email me and I'll send
Speaker:it and it's $5, no payment required in advance.
Speaker:So I'm giving it away.
Speaker:And you could pay me $5 after
Speaker:the fact for postage if you want.
Speaker:I really don't care.
Speaker:I like the idea in a way, and
Speaker:we could do that with the twist.
Speaker:So I have some marketing ideas how you can make
Speaker:that connection, because then somebody a young mind, but it
Speaker:could be somebody young in mind and heart and older
Speaker:person also get that fuel again for the soul.
Speaker:And you have this contact that people contact you
Speaker:with the station so on and keep that conversation
Speaker:and if you could give some other alternatives, maybe
Speaker:they want to stream it but still give a
Speaker:donation or being on mailing list or whatever, then
Speaker:you have that great connection there.
Speaker:So I think that's a great idea of you
Speaker:and I think we could maybe adding some alternatives
Speaker:to that terrific word that'd be marvelous.
Speaker:All right, well, today we've been talking
Speaker:to Kevin Osborne, author of The Prometheus
Speaker:Connection and The Prometheus frontier.
Speaker:Kevin, thanks for Manning the foxhole with us today.
Speaker:It was my great pleasure. Thank you, guys. Thank you.
Speaker:You're welcome, Kevin.
Speaker:Thank you, Larry Martin. Yeah.